Gnome

mioni · Отправлено: **10:43, 03-02-2002** | #2

А как с локалью? И дистр какой? Шрифты установленны?

ymdk · Отправлено: **12:38, 03-02-2002** | #3

Ну наверное да, в KDE все работает без
проблем. Он мне в настройкак раскладки
просит указать место где находиться руссификатор. Я указываю, а он говорит что, какая-то ошибка. А дистрибутив у меня Mandrake 8.0.

mioni · Отправлено: **16:28, 04-02-2002** | #4

Вобще то лучше (ИМХО) руссифицироваться через XFree, почитай ФАК на linuxrsp.ru, может поможет

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зы
Я где то читал, что с локализацией у Мандрейка 8.0 небольшие проблемки, но вот не помню где, если вспомню подскажу.

ymdk · Отправлено: **18:39, 04-02-2002** | #5

Спасибо за линк. Зайду почитаю может
что и найду.

mioni · Отправлено: **01:28, 05-02-2002** | #6

А вот ссылочка, говорят помогает

:
http://www.mycomp.com.ua/article.php?id=755

Guest · Отправлено: **06:53, 04-12-2002** | #7

this is the sixth text revision done on 04-11-2002.

dear reader the gnome armageddon has started,

first of all i want to clarify that this text was meant to be a source of
information otherwise i wouldn't have spent so much time into writing it.
belive me it took me a couple of days writing this text in a foreign language.
even if you don't care at all for gnome, you may find some interesting
information within this text that you like to read. please try to understand my
points even if it's hard sometimes, otherwise you wake up one day and feel the
need to switch to a different operating system.

on the following lines i'm trying to give you a little insight of the <a
href="http://www.gnome.org/">gnome...> community. the things that are going
on in the back, the information that could be worth talking and thinking about.

many of us like the gnome desktop and some of us were following it since the
beginning. gnome is a promising project because it's mostly written in C, easy
to use, configurable and therefore fits perfectly into the philosophy of u*nix.
only to name some of its advantages.

unfortunately these advantages changed with the recently new released version
of gnome. the core development team somehow got the idea of targeting gnome to
a complete different direction of users. the so called corporate desktop user.
in other words they're targeting people that aren't familiar or experienced
with desktop environments. usually business oriented people who are willing to
pay money for getting gnome on their computers.

having this new target in mind, the core development team mostly under contract
by companies like <a href="http://www.redhat.com/">redh...>, <a
href="http://www.ximian.com/">ximi...> and <a
href="http://www.sun.com/">sun</a> decided to simplify the desktop as much
as even possible by removing all its flexibility in favor of an easy clean
simple interface to not confuse their new possible customers. so far the idea
of a clean easy to use desktop is honourable.

some of the new ideas, features and implementations such as <a
href="http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/...>, an evil windows
registry like system, new ordering of buttons and dialogs, the removal of
90%-95% of all visible preferences from the control center and applications,
the new direction that gnome leads and the attitude of the core development
team made a lot of users really unhappy. these are only a couple of examples
and the list can easily be expanded but for now this is enough. now let me try
to get deeper into these aspects.

you may imagine that users got really <a
href="http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news...> because
their beloved gnome desktop matured into something they didn't want. during the
time, the frustration of a not less amount of people increased. <a
href="http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usabi...">more
</a>, <a
href="http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usabi...">more
</a> and <a
href="http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome...>
emails arrived on the gnome mailinglists where users tried to explain their
concerns, frustrations and the leading target of GNOME.

but the core development team of gnome don't give a damn about what their users
are thinking or wanting and most of the time they come up with their standard
purl. the reply they give is mostly the same. users should either go and 'file
a bug' at <a href="http://bugzilla.gnome.org/">...> or the user
mails are being turned so far that at the end they sound like being trolls or
the user feedback is simply not wanted. whatever happens the answers aren't
really satisfying for the user. even <a
href="http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usabi...t;constructive
feedback</a> isn't appreciated.

if you gonna think about this for a minute then things gonna harden that they
are directing into the commercial area. the core development team actually
don't care for the complaining home user. it's more important for them to reach
the customers with the cash. it seems that this has been told to them by the
company leaders. everything about gnome has been decided already, a way back or
direct communication isn't possible. don't get trapped by sentences like 'we
listen to our users'. they listen to you - yes, to make funny silly jokes about
you afterwards.

i thought that everything was build up on friendship, build on programming for
fun, build on understanding each other. but the reality looks like it's all for
the big money. the cash is what matters everything else is a lie and a dream.
time for people to wake up.

not long ago they threw one of the most important long year core developer
<a
href="http://lists.gnome.org/archives/gnom...uot;>martin
baulig</a> out of team. a guy who worked really hard on getting gnome into
the right direction. a nice friendly person who put all his time into gnome.
but narrow minded gnome elites such as <a
href="http://www106.pair.com/rhp/">havoc pennington</a> were responsible
that he left the gnome project. the trouble and the pressure that was put on
him was to much.

with the new gnome desktop a lot of user interface changes happened such as
<a
href="http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usabi...uot;>button
reordering</a>. needless to say that this confuse people who are used to
the 'right' button ordering for ages. even our fellow linux guru <a
href="http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usabi...">alan
cox</a> wasn't thrilled about this idea. but the gnome elites such as havoc
pennington, seth nickell, calum benson and dave bordoley knew it better. why
following the road of any other desktop that exists ? why not doing something
that don't confuse their users and still stay usable ? well it seems to be too
easy. gnome needs to be different than anything else so they changed the button
order which was one of the reasons that users became unhappy. they said that
there was a hard fight about this and the decision was made to change the
buttons. but i belive they simply copied the behaviour of macos because most of
the gnome developers use a macintosh as either laptop or desktop. sad that they
forgot to keep in mind that users tend to mix applications and that this will
lead into weird button searching and clicking.

but as if this wasn't enough the same people decided that the new gnome <a
href="http://developer.gnome.org/projects/...quot;>human interface
guides</a> were the ultima non plus ultra in human interface guides. the
announcement contained informations that the kde usability people got initiated
into it. unfortunately the kde people heard about it the <a
href="http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-usabilit...quot;>first
time</a> when seth nickell went to the kde mailinglist which happened after
the announcement. you can imagine that they got highly pissed off about this
attitude. you can read more on <a
href="http://lists.kde.org/?t=102992891600...">this link</a>. to
summarize it, the kde people clarified that gnome should care for their own
business.

the problem that came with the new interface guides was, that every little
gnome hacker started to become an user interface expert over night. a lot of
gnome programs that we like to use matured into a disaster over night. hackers
that never programmed correctly for their life started to blindly follow the
hype of simplification. for an example look what happened to <a
href="http://galeon.sourceforge.net/g2ui.html">galeon's interface</a> (pay
attention for the last paragraph). even philip langdale a long year galeon
hacker got highly indignant by the target that gnome leads and wrote <a
href="http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/f...">this
email</a> to the galeon mailinglist.

here another reason why users became angry. the elite assumes, that the user
knows nothing about their system. you find a couple of heavily insulting mails
on their mailing lists containing sentences like the quoted ones.

<li>"the user don't know what a window manager is",</li>
<li>"the user don't know what themes are",</li>
<li>"the user don't know what a homedir is",</li>
<li>"the user can't compile a kernel",</li>
<li>"the user don't want to customize their desktop",</li>
<li>"the user shouldn't see preferences which purpose they don't know"</li>

you may imagine that a lot of people are being offended by such lines because
it's exactly these gnome users who are meant by these phrases. to read more
such lines on the gnome mailinglists, simply click on <a
href="http://mail.gnome.org/archives/">this link</a> and grep in their
archives. be said that most of these sentences are coming from havoc
pennington.

such evil practices shouldn't be tolerated by the users and need to be fighted.
u*nix users aren't stupid people. who actually gave havoc pennington the rights
to decide what the user wants and what not ? <a
href="http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usabi...ot;>various
users</a> told him that people who use a u*nix like system are well aware
of their capabilities dealing with such a complex system. there's a reason why
people are switching from alternative operating systems. they want to learn,
they want to use the full power of the system, they want to change everything
they like.

to top all this, look at the future plans of <a
href="http://www.eazel.com/">nauti...>. the current maintainers got the
idea of changing the whole nautilus concepts into an object oriented user
interface design. you may be highly interested in reading the exact words of
alex larsson's vision for nautilus' future direction by clicking on <a
href="http://mail.gnome.org/archives/nauti...">this
link</a>.

to summarize it, it's assumed that the user don't need to deal with his homedir
or his whole filesystem because it may confuse him or because he don't
understand it. the new concepts of nautilus should be that the user deal with
symbols in the nautilus view. e.g. you get a cdrom symbol and by clicking on it
you see the directory of your cdrom, you get a photo symbol and by clicking on
it you get a list of all your pr0n pictures, you get a music symbol and by
clicking on it you get a list of all your mp3's. you don't know where all these
files are located because you don't deal with the bottom layer of your homedir
or filesystem anymore as mentioned earlier.

the question is why are people that know nothing about their users, that know
nothing about correct user interface design destroying gnome ? the users don't
deserve all this specially those that backed gnome for all the years. even sun
threw a bunch of so called user interface experts together and have them work
on gnome. don't forget that sun are the creators of the <a
href="http://www.opengroup.org/cde/">common desktop environment</a>. we
don't need another cde clone named gnome. even havoc pennington author of the
<a href="http://www106.pair.com/rhp/free-soft...">good user
interfaces</a> text isn't able to get his own written software following
his rules.

not long ago there was an report about the 'two captains of nautilus' where the
reporter (uraeus a gnome contributor himself) reported alexander larsson and
david camp. you may imagine that such a report can't be taken serious because
it's done by their own people. we here have a saying that sounds like this 'one
crow doesn't hack the eye of another crow out'. now you can click on <a
href="http://www.gnomedesktop.org/article....">this
link</a> and read more. it may be interesting to read the replies from
various users all over the globe of what they think about gnome and nautilus in
general (please pay attention to the listed ip's there). another nice and
informative reading can be found by clicking on <a
href="http://www.gnomedesktop.org/article....">this link</a>.

the fileselector problem was a long discussed issue in the gnome community.
finally they came to an solution for this and have decided to go <a
href="http://snorp.coreyo.net/~snorp/files...g">for this</a>
ugly fileselector instead going for <a
href="http://home.wanadoo.nl/sbm/">this one</a> which was developed by a
free volunteer for a long time and in general looks and behaves better.

most users have no problems with the idea of keeping things simple and clean.
removing some not needed preferences was indeed a good idea but it doesn't
stop. people started to remove everything from their apps. you're forced to use
dubious programs like gconf-editor which basically works like the windows
registry editor, to tweak uncommented preferences. i don't think that this is
an advantage. even the possibility to tweak preferences with an editor was
taken away with that ugly implementation of gconf. all your preferences are
stored in a directory tree with an unknown amount of *.xml files. even if you
delete programs their keys are still remaining orphaned in these trees and
finding them is like playing trivia. at the end it's worth a discussion if a
system driven by a single home user needs such a registry like system. we
didn't need such a system for over 30 years but the gnome development team got
the idea copying one of the most retarded systems from windows to u*nix. not to
mention that the copy is more retarded than the original.

it's a shame to see how such a nice desktop got thrown into the trash by such
people. but there is a lot more behind the scenes that i don't know about.
everything around gnome is a big marketing strategy. poor people are working
the hell out of gnome for nothing and companies such as those mentioned above
are getting the big cash. for sure you could say - go and fork gnome - but
seriously how can you go and fork gnome ? such a big project which needs a
bunch of people to keep the code alive and compatible. well you know it's all
about open source the code is signed under the gnu/gpl or gnu/lgpl, you can't
own it. even the companies are aware of this. but if you can't own the code -
go and hire their developers. you can direct them like puppets in any direction
that you - as company - like. exactly this is happening with gnome.

well you could easily come up and tell me to simply not use gnome and let them
do whatever they like. well, you are right with that but things are more
complicated nowadays. gnome is influencing a lot of third party projects such
as xfree86 which recently added a lot of gnome components into their cvs
repository. please know that with the next coming xfree86 version you get a lot
of gnome components without even knowing it. code like, <a
href="http://www.xmlsoft.org/">gno...>, <a
href="http://www.freedesktop.org/software/...>, <a
href="http://www.fontconfig.org/">...>, xcursor and xft2 were
mainly written by people who're heavily involved into gnome development. also
the gimp is maturing more and more into getting the look and feel of a native
gnome application. the cvs version of the gimp has a lot of gnome pixmaps
inside and they are heavily working on integrate the gimp into gnome. if not
today but the direction is sure and i fear the day this gonna happen.

it's ok that these things exist and it's ok to see xfree86 and the gimp are
beeing hacked on. but please think about the people that don't like or use
gnome. what about them ? why force them to have gnome components installed on
their systems ? why can't gnome go the same way that kde went e.g. doing their
own stuff without infecting other projects like aids. seeing more and more
libraries and applications that were in no way related to gnome jumping on the
pkgconfig boat which's really not needed. look what will happen to solaris, the
world famous operating system on u*nix used by big companies and long years
experts. they really plan to replace cde with gnome. i know that cde wasn't the
best invention of desktops but it rarely crashed and it fits far better into
the philosophy of xfree86 with their configuration system than gnome. you know
the good old way having your settings defined with .xdefaults and all nice
default configurations are going into /etc/x11/app-defaults/ and so on.
understandable that the good old way may be blocking the future of applications
for multiusersystems - but why must it have to be a windows registry like
system that replaces future configuration ?

well to come to an end i personally don't like many of this stuff. i can't
stand the button reordering, i don't like the gconf system and even more i
don't like the commercial outsourcing of gnome and the bad influence that gnome
has on other applications. the bad attitude of some gnome developers is another
story since we are all different reacting humans. luckily there are people
sharing some of my thoughts otherwise i wouldn't be able to proof my text with
so many links. even amongst the gnome developers there are silent voices of
people that hate many of these decisions and silently use something else.
right now if you checkout the gnome cvs repository every day you find out that
the whole gnome development seemed to came to an halt. the contributions to
their cvs are poor. while projects such as kde are reaching easily 10-20k
commits per month - gnome is getting around 1-2k per month on it's best times.
it really looks like the situation of gnome is unclear so it would be better to
have it not influence so much other programs or at the end we deal with an
disaster.

now i hope this text was informative for you. i hope that you start to think
about the situation and the global direction. the situation of gnome is
unclear, their target is groggy too since i can't belive that the users that
they are targeting ever heard of u*nix or linux. they plan to get out of the
0.05% desktop niche but this will for sure not happen if they continue their
current direction and their bad ugly attitude.

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